{"id":1906,"date":"2009-03-24T08:02:21","date_gmt":"2009-03-24T07:02:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.brennerbasisdemokratie.eu\/?p=1906"},"modified":"2024-08-10T12:49:55","modified_gmt":"2024-08-10T10:49:55","slug":"cattive-compagnie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.brennerbasisdemokratie.eu\/?p=1906","title":{"rendered":"Cattive compagnie."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Im <em>Corriere dell&#8217;A. Adige<\/em> vom Sonntag hat sich Florian Kronbichler sehr kritisch mit der vorsichtigen \u00d6ffnung der <em>Gr\u00fcnen<\/em> in Sachen Selbstbestimmung befasst. Ich gebe seine Einsch\u00e4tzung \u2014 vorerst unkommentiert \u2014 wieder:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Oggi mi devo far violenza. Per principio trovo repellente occuparmi di Selbstbe\u00adstimmung, concetto di cui \u00abautodeter\u00adminazione\u00bb \u00e8 una traduzione eufemi\u00adstica. Parlarne mi riporta in mente il monito di Karl Kraus a proposito delle barzellette antigiu\u00addaiche: \u00abChi ride \u00e8 gi\u00e0 d\u2019accordo\u00bb. Chi eleva la \u00abSelbstbestimmung\u00bb a oggetto del dibattito poli\u00adtico dev\u2019essere consapevole di essere identificato o almeno messo in compagnia con chi del tema \u00e8 titolare, ossia la destra sudtirolese, pantirolese e fondamentalmente antiautonomista. Condivido in pieno l\u2019analisi di Toni Visentini <em>(sul Corriere dell\u2019A. Adige, ndr)<\/em> sulla nostal\u00adgia di Selbstbestimmung in atto.<\/p>\n<p>Allora, perch\u00e9 ci ritorno sopra? \u00c8 vero, \u00e8 gi\u00e0 stato detto tutto, ma non su tutti. Mi rivolgo ai so\u00adgnatori della Selbstbestimmung dell\u2019ultima ora, i Verdi. Proprio in quella parte dell\u2019universo politico &#8211; che meno si riteneva esposta al rischio di contagio &#8211; ora divampa la discussione, e se ne discute in modo non onesto. I Verdi, con un comunicato dal loro quartiere generale, si sono dissociati da una presa di posizione fondamentalmente pro-Selbstbestimmung della propria organizzazione giovanile. \u00c8 un atto ipocrita oltre che ingeneroso. I giovani Verdi sono un fantasma, non esistono, e dissociarsi da essi \u00e8 come bastonare il sacco quando si intende l\u2019asino. I Verdi, se vogliono essere credibili, si devono confrontare con il loro capogruppo in Consiglio provinciale, Riccardo Dello Sbarba, cio\u00e8 con se stessi.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c8 l\u2019ex-presidente dell\u2019Aula che in dibattiti e sul proprio sito-intemet cova il tema, proponendo soluzioni quali la doppia cittadinanza (italo-austriaca) ed esercitandosi in acrobazie semantiche sul concetto di Selbstbestimmung. Chiedo pi\u00f9 chiarezza: i Verdi devono dire come la pensano in proposito. II loro comportamento &#8211; vago &#8211; lascia sospettare in essi le peggiori attitudini del radicalismo vecchio stampo. Si \u00e8 per principio contro-sistema. II sistema \u00e8 l\u2019autonomia che a sua volta \u00e8 governata dall\u2019avversario politico (mo\u00adderato) contro cui non c\u2019\u00e8 chance di reggere, quindi si vuol cambiare sistema e &#8211; non dichia\u00adratamente, ma nei fatti &#8211; ci si allea con chiun\u00adque ci sta.<\/p>\n<p>Riccardo Dello Sbarba \u00e8 un ingenuo quando si inebria del plauso di nostalgici della Selbstbe\u00adstimmung (come successo due mesi fa alla Cusanus di Bressanone). Ipotizza orizzonti da Stato ideale e pace eterna senza accorgersi che la pla\u00adtea lo comprende solo in quanto testa di ponte alla Selbstbestimmung cos\u00ec come essa la concepisce: via da questo Stato! Ed \u00e8, da un politico di sinistra e verde, un comportamento irresponsabi\u00adle.<\/p>\n<p>Si \u00e8 stufato dell\u2019autonomia cos\u00ec com\u2019\u00e8. Finisce per considerare un alleato il falco Karl Zeller che sentenzia che \u00abl\u2019autonomia dinamica \u00e8 arrivata al capolinea\u00bb. Compagnia da opposti estremi\u00adsmi. E mi dispiace.<\/p><\/blockquote>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Im Corriere dell&#8217;A. Adige vom Sonntag hat sich Florian Kronbichler sehr kritisch mit der vorsichtigen \u00d6ffnung der Gr\u00fcnen in Sachen Selbstbestimmung befasst. Ich gebe seine Einsch\u00e4tzung \u2014 vorerst unkommentiert \u2014 wieder: Oggi mi devo far violenza. Per principio trovo repellente occuparmi di Selbstbe\u00adstimmung, concetto di cui \u00abautodeter\u00adminazione\u00bb \u00e8 una traduzione eufemi\u00adstica. 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